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Aerodyne
Posted: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:31:37 AM
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MINI TRUCKER wrote:
on the merc 1/16 scale, the badge is upside down.

It can be on 1/1 scale models too Whistle
MINI TRUCKER
Posted: Saturday, March 06, 2010 6:28:08 PM
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really why?
erf ec16
Posted: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:23:40 PM
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MINI TRUCKER wrote:
on the merc 1/16 scale, the badge is upside down.

Damn mechanics,,,,always put stuff back wrong. He must have been rushing to get an early finish lol
richcrabman
Posted: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:29:19 PM
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is the western star,wolfies build?Think

richard
cmeonthemove
Posted: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:22:56 AM
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richcrabman wrote:
is the western star,wolfies build?Think

richard


No but the Auslowe low-loader is.
ted taylor
Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:41:28 AM
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southsix1 wrote:
Just got mine, the weathering on the Emhar Bedford is just amazing.

Nick.


I don't normally criticize other peoples work as I am not very good at wear and tear on my models but I felt there were one or two points that should be made here.

I thought it was a bit OTT especially as there is not so much as a smudge on the bright red chassis

The body work looks great and I have seen lorries like that but on the off side the bottom hinge board is covered in what seems to be rust, now I don't know of any wood that rusts I thought only iron rusted.

The foot wells under the bonnet would not be in that condition unless the lorry had been abandoned in a field somewhere for 20 years or so and it clearly has not as the wiper has been used recently. The area under the bonnet is a hot dry place and would not rust like that while the vehicle is in use.

one small point, I have seen several models where th front window frames have been painted black to represent the rubber seals we have today that is not strictly true, The original frames are metal and would be painted the cab colour with the near sinde window slightly recessed and the off side slightly proud as this is the one that opens forward.Yes you have probably seen rubber frames but they will only be on restored vehicles.

sorry to rain on your parade Andrew but this isn't Military Modelling

Ted
voyager
Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:52:46 PM
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Well Ted, you have obviously been 'thinking' about this for a while! Unfortunately you appear to have some of your facts wrong. The chassis has been weathered to match the body -



Unlike you, I'm no truck expert. I took it that the frame of the body sides was metal with a wood infill, that was why the kit had great wood grain detail on those areas and not on the bottom rail (I believe you helped with the design?), that's why I painted it as metal. Many of the pictures of real trucks show all the frame a different colour, also making me think they were metal. However seems I may be wrong, although any rusty metal area next to a different material can cause that area to show discolouration.


I got the colours and condition for under the bonnet from this thread
http://ipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tk2&action=display&thread=5549

which is a truck in use. I did exaggerate the wear and tear for effect but it is reasonably accurate. You say "The foot wells under the bonnet would not be in that condition unless the lorry had been abandoned in a field somewhere for 20 years or so and it clearly has not as the wiper has been used recently. " Ted, this is a model, how do you know someone hasn't found it rusting away, put on a battery, fired it up and driven it away, cleaning the windscreen so he can see where he is going?

As for the windscreen 'rubbers', again i'm no expert so I looked at reference photos such as this one, described as 'very original'

http://ccmv.fotopic.net/p44641958.html

also, i don't appear to be the only one

http://ipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tk2&action=display&thread=6433

I know this is not Military Modelling Ted but at least I'm trying something different, not just producing another Bartletts clone. I have said before, here and on other forums, I view modelling as an art form, not just a case of replicating 'another truck'. If others want to do that, great stuff, the more modellers the better, just don't expect me to be one of them.

p.s. didn't I read somewhere that there was no right and wrong in truck modelling?Angel
ted taylor
Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:00:25 AM
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voyager wrote:
Well Ted, you have obviously been 'thinking' about this for a while! Unfortunately you appear to have some of your facts wrong. The chassis has been weathered to match the body

The body has hardly any paint on it but the chassis is still fully painted from what I can see.
-


from your photo there is not so much rust etc on the chassis as there is on the cab parts


Unlike you, I'm no truck expert. I took it that the frame of the body sides was metal with a wood infill, that was why the kit had great wood grain detail on those areas and not on the bottom rail (I believe you helped with the design?), that's why I painted it as metal. Many of the pictures of real trucks show all the frame a different colour, also making me think they were metal. However seems I may be wrong, although any rusty metal area next to a different material can cause that area to show discolouration.




I got the colours and condition for under the bonnet from this thread
http://ipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tk2&action=display&thread=5549

you will notice that this vehicle is a restored vehicle and there is no sign of rust under the bonnet on the foot wells

how do you know someone hasn't found it rusting away, put on a battery, fired it up and driven it away, cleaning the windscreen so he can see where he is going?

I don't know, but what I do know is that if that had been standing all that while you would not have just put a battery on and driven it away, with that amount of rust on the footwells the brake and clutch pedals would have either gone through the floor or have been ceased up and as it was loaded I would think it is likely there would have been a flat tyre or two and after the 20yrs I don't think the ministry would have let that move even or even given it an operators licence.

I am not trying to decry your weathering here just trying to put it in the right context for instance, A junk yard dog ie with a bit of grass growing around it and no load on it and of course as much rust on the chassis as the cab


As for the windscreen 'rubbers', again i'm no expert so I looked at reference photos such as this one, described as 'very original'

the very original was a restored one with original parts.



also, i don't appear to be the only one

this was info directed to every one not particularly yourself as most of the Bedfords around now have new windows and not the originals so I thought I would clear up the point.




I know this is not Military Modelling Ted but at least I'm trying something different, not just producing another Bartletts clone. I have said before, here and on other forums, I view modelling as an art form, not just a case of replicating 'another truck'. If others want to do that, great stuff, the more modellers the better, just don't expect me to be one of them.

got to agree with that


Regards

Ted


p.s. didn't I read somewhere that there was no right and wrong in truck modelling?Angel


you might have done but to go that far needs just a little more to make the PICTURE look plausible, a vehicle in that condition would not have been a runner
consettbell
Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 11:52:21 AM
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I think we might be going a bit far into it here chaps.... Remember, it is only a modelWhistle
Nosbod
Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 4:02:08 PM
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Maybe it is only a model but I can see points from both modellers, who are dedicated to their hobby. Ted like a lot of others likes to build fair representations of the real vehicles but in a good to excellent condition where as Voyager prefers to use weathering techniques to create something that has seen some action. There is no right or wrong way with both techniques or even taking a middle road as I do, an undamaged vehicle in good condition that has a little road dirt applied.
I did think like Ted that maybe the weathering on the model was severe for an on road truck, to be honest I haven't actually seen one as bad in real life on the road and possibly it might have placed the model in some context if something was said about the condition in the article just to set the mood as it were. However the weathering techniques used which are common to military modellers were very well applied and obviously judging by remarks some others like this style and want to try it, great that's what its all about, the choice is there to take but try and remember when doing something different others can't read the mind of the modeller, he knows what he's after but he might have to point others in the direction with a few words so they are on the same wave length.
I will also just echo what I said in another post about following pics of renovated vehicles and not to take what you see as original as its very difficult in some cases to get hold of genuine parts and a make do with something else has to be done. At the time these older wagons were running about there wasn't any problem with parts, I always seek out pictures from the past to check on correct details and not just use one source especially if its a recent photo of a renovation. Good reference material comes into this and you have to be prepared to spend money on books etc as much as models and materials to replicate something from the past.
We are not as critical as the plane and tank guys yet but it will come as modellers seek more accuracy to gain the top prizes. Finally I would like to say to some of the modellers on here to not get so up tight or shirty when models are criticised, its something you have to take in your stride if you put your models on show for the public expect some remarks good or bad, some replies to criticism can be a bit nasty which in return receives a similar reply and so it goes on, count to ten and reply with explantions of why this or that was done, much better than getting irate. Nos.
erf ec16
Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:45:23 PM
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ted taylor wrote:
voyager wrote:
Well Ted, you have obviously been 'thinking' about this for a while! Unfortunately you appear to have some of your facts wrong. The chassis has been weathered to match the body

The body has hardly any paint on it but the chassis is still fully painted from what I can see.
-


from your photo there is not so much rust etc on the chassis as there is on the cab parts


Unlike you, I'm no truck expert. I took it that the frame of the body sides was metal with a wood infill, that was why the kit had great wood grain detail on those areas and not on the bottom rail (I believe you helped with the design?), that's why I painted it as metal. Many of the pictures of real trucks show all the frame a different colour, also making me think they were metal. However seems I may be wrong, although any rusty metal area next to a different material can cause that area to show discolouration.




I got the colours and condition for under the bonnet from this thread
http://ipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tk2&action=display&thread=5549

you will notice that this vehicle is a restored vehicle and there is no sign of rust under the bonnet on the foot wells

how do you know someone hasn't found it rusting away, put on a battery, fired it up and driven it away, cleaning the windscreen so he can see where he is going?

I don't know, but what I do know is that if that had been standing all that while you would not have just put a battery on and driven it away, with that amount of rust on the footwells the brake and clutch pedals would have either gone through the floor or have been ceased up and as it was loaded I would think it is likely there would have been a flat tyre or two and after the 20yrs I don't think the ministry would have let that move even or even given it an operators licence.

I am not trying to decry your weathering here just trying to put it in the right context for instance, A junk yard dog ie with a bit of grass growing around it and no load on it and of course as much rust on the chassis as the cab


As for the windscreen 'rubbers', again i'm no expert so I looked at reference photos such as this one, described as 'very original'

the very original was a restored one with original parts.



also, i don't appear to be the only one

this was info directed to every one not particularly yourself as most of the Bedfords around now have new windows and not the originals so I thought I would clear up the point.




I know this is not Military Modelling Ted but at least I'm trying something different, not just producing another Bartletts clone. I have said before, here and on other forums, I view modelling as an art form, not just a case of replicating 'another truck'. If others want to do that, great stuff, the more modellers the better, just don't expect me to be one of them.

got to agree with that


Regards

Ted


p.s. didn't I read somewhere that there was no right and wrong in truck modelling?Angel


you might have done but to go that far needs just a little more to make the PICTURE look plausible, a vehicle in that condition would not have been a runner



Personally i think its a good model. Who cares about colours and weathering techniques, at the end of the day its a pastic model kit thats been done with a great deal of time, effort and thought put into it. Tim
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