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#1 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:33:02 AM(UTC)
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I have opted to remove this post as it seems that the wrong message was being passed on. I had no wish to belittle the excellent effort put in by Peter White etc and I apologise if offence was taken. I was merely querying the reason behind the current 'quietness' of the Forum and wondered if it may be due to operational difficulties as I have no idea what's involved in running such a site.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:51:10 AM(UTC)
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My view is that there a few moaners on here who spoil it and make it unfriendly. Some comments are unnescessary which cause people to decide not to post their models.

There is nothing wrong with the forum, just a few members who are causing the low "traffic".

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#3 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:04:04 AM(UTC)
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It's posts like this that make me want to jack the whole thing in and give up.

No matter what we do to try and meet people's comments and criticisms we can't win. The old original forum developed technical problems, not of our making, and was therefore replaced with a new version. This met with all sorts of criticisms, members saying they were leaving and so on, and we did our best to answer most of those with a new version, but still have problems.

If the site is 'changing on a daily basis' it's because we are trying to respond to member's suggestions. For example, there are a couple elsewhere about making the colours clearer...so if we do that, there we go again, it's 'changing on a daily basis'. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

I should point out that the forum isn't created by TMW....it's an off the shelf product which Neil has tweaked to make it suitable for Traplet's requirements. Hence the layout, design, colours etc. I'm sorry if people find themselves locked out and have to change details, that's out of my control.

There are times when I wish I'd let this forum die along with the other Traplet magazine forums. This is one of them.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:44:07 AM(UTC)
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As with most things there is never a constant, things will always ebb and flow at different rates. I have been on this forum for many years and have encountered my share of nasty and uncalled for comments, I even had an avatar whos only posts were negative and only at me. Yes it made me wonder if it was worth posting again, but maybe I'm bigger than that, or I'm just to dumb to care.
Sometimes I due to work and other commitments I just don't have time to think let alone do any modeling, but I always get back to it eventually.
I don't have any facts and figures about member traffic and usage about this forum, but I'm sure that if it were displayed on a chart it would be up and down just like any other wed site.
Personally I don't care to much about the visual look of the forum as long as it is still fairly easy to use, and what colour icons are has no effect on whether I will log on not.
I have shown this forum to some misguided modelers that build things with wings ( only joking )and they are astounded and jealous at the size and content.
This is a fantastic forum which has world wide appeal, Peter and the rest of the staff have done a fantastic job, no doubt there will ups and downs in the future, and no doubt it will attract the odd nut case now and again that's just the way of things.
It would be a shame to let the forum go for the sake of a few.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:53:42 AM(UTC)
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I also think it has been quiet, a lot of members were put off with the comment's from a member's VERY RUDE remarks, that did not help, changes are needed to get the forum back to the way it was, if not better, I don't post a lot on the forum but I would miss if it was not there, as I have said a few times, keep up the great work peter and the back room team. alex
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#7 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:53:51 AM(UTC)
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Hi all,
Perhaps we should take a step back and think "what can i do to improve things ", be a little more patient with site problems,after all this is effectively a new site and I am sure the old site didn't reach a high standard overnight.There may be an excuse for some of us of more mature years with modern technology ,but we keep on trying.Perhaps a little more team work! It used to work!!
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#8 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:13:29 PM(UTC)
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Well I think its loads better, stick with it Peter
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#4 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:26:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: peterwhite Go to Quoted Post
It's posts like this that make me want to jack the whole thing in and give up.

Steady on Peter, none of this post was designed to cause anyone any upset-least of all yourself and whoever else runs it, if it did upest you then I wholeheartedly apologise. And yes, I, like many others are highly appreciative of the effort you put in.
No matter what we do to try and meet people's comments and criticisms we can't win. The old original forum developed technical problems, not of our making, and was therefore replaced with a new version. This met with all sorts of criticisms, members saying they were leaving and so on, and we did our best to answer most of those with a new version, but still have problems.

I for one haven't made any critique regarding the new Forum, I may have preferred the old version but this one works fine for me apart from the lock outs which, as I stated in the post Peter, you very kindly sorted the problem. As I also stated I am not techy enough to deal with any problems usually which is why I think there should be a contact us page rather than having to E-Mail the only person I have a contact with and that of course is our erstwhile Editor who I feel has enough to do.

If the site is 'changing on a daily basis' it's because we are trying to respond to member's suggestions. For example, there are a couple elsewhere about making the colours clearer...so if we do that, there we go again, it's 'changing on a daily basis'. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

As I said, I for one aint techy enough to understand what any of the forum running involves, I'm very old fashined and dislike a lot of change. I didn't see any problem with the colour for instance and the fact that all posts got flagged as new was soon overcome by me so that wasn't too much of a problem!
I should point out that the forum isn't created by TMW....it's an off the shelf product which Neil has tweaked to make it suitable for Traplet's requirements. Hence the layout, design, colours etc. I'm sorry if people find themselves locked out and have to change details, that's out of my control.

There are times when I wish I'd let this forum die along with the other Traplet magazine forums. This is one of them.

Again I say that I'm glad you didn't Peter, I guess it must be a pain looking after it as well as all your other work but what I was saying is that the Forum as a site seems much quieter than it was and was wondering if this was caused by the forum itself as in locking out?....
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#9 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:55:21 PM(UTC)
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Hi, I also think the forum has been quiter since its updated appearance but for me the forum is as good as ever! I think most of the problem is the fact that people dont like CHANGE & you cannot please everybody all of the time! Keep up the good work that you do Peter and remember that there are more people who are happy with the forum than unhappy! Charlie
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#10 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:18:08 PM(UTC)
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I'm glad Peter replied the way he did to this thread, posts like we've had lately, moaning and slagging off how this or that should be run or done don't do anything for the health and good of the forum. I presume Len was expecting similar posts to bemoan this that and the other, WHY! Not so long ago I had a chat with Peter during a photo session on a recent article and we mentioned the forum and how many fine modellers were now showing their projects and how some had improved very quickly producing some well built and turned out models. He also said he got some ideas and inspiration from the forum that helped with the magazine, which is his main input, he has little time to model projects for himself thesedays.

However he did at times find the forum could be a little taxing and felt he could at times walk away from it, the recent problems which we all know about, and should be water under the bridge now the forum is back, don't help and as well as the many posts put up once the forum was up again he also had to contend with many e-mails, anybody would tire of constant wingeing and I think he does an excellent job both on here and in the magazine, infact where would this hobby be without Peter's dedication. I for one wouldn't blame him for handing over the reigns and having a slightly quieter time. Lets get back to models, modelling and trucks in particular and use the forum to its best ability even if it isn't all bells and whistles. Finally, if members don't think the forum is as exciting as before then add some models or info or debate on model/truck subjects.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:01:23 PM(UTC)
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right next person to moan about the forum gets the beers in!
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#12 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2012 7:19:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wirralpete Go to Quoted Post
right next person to moan about the forum gets the beers in!

OY!! Eh up Pete, I wasn't moaning but apparently that's how the post was read hence the deletion. If I can think of a way of putting my thoughts across without them being misconstrued then I'll rumble re-post.

Oh and Pete, don't forget if your overnighted near Dumfries you're welcome to call..
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#13 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2012 10:14:10 AM(UTC)
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I didn't pick it up as a 'moan' as such, but what annoyed me was that it was simply raking over old ground. We've had the discussions about the forum going quiet before, and just when it seemed that we were getting back on track and things were settling down, up it all comes again.

Instead of talking about the forum itself, we should be using it for the purpose it was created for - talking about modelling, helping each other out and exchanging information - not harping on about how the forum looks or how many members it has.

Let's draw a line under it and consider the matter closed. Thanks to all the other members who responded with words of encouragement.
Peter
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#14 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2012 7:09:59 PM(UTC)
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Ok you want to see more modeling and spice the site up, well I am modeling for a spare tyre tonight and due to the size of the tyre, it will be in the as nature intended.
Anymore Of the above and I will have to post the pics on here.
Believe me if that happens, then that is the end of the forum.
Be good, be happy and get some modeling done and posted on here so we can have some debate.
I might be posting one soon which will annoy some people and hopefully make some happy
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#15 Posted : Monday, January 16, 2012 8:21:42 PM(UTC)
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For Peter White;
I'm just wondering if you've read the muchly amended opening post of this thread? You should know me well enough by now that I don't normally moan, if I can offer help then I do so freely and with goodwill. Perhaps you can recall the occasions early on in TMW's life when you would ring me for assistance as you were short of articles for the next issue?.........
I have been well and truly moaned at especially in recent years but have, for the most part shrugged these comments off. Bearing in mind that the comments that I made were based on a working knowledge of the vehicle represented with a view to helping the modeller achieve a better representation in the future.

For myself, I enjoy the Forum for the most part, so much so in fact that it's always my first port of call after checking E-Mails. I enjoy the good hearted banter and find that some comments/pictures/links are very interesting, this is why I was upset at being locked out twice in a short period. I oft offer advice/tips here on the forum and even then one or two people still find reason/cause to pass derogatory remarks despite the fact that all the information I offer is based on memories and is offered in good faith. AND, I am prepared to hold my hands up if/when I've passed on duff info.
So yes, draw a line underneath the foregoing and indeed, feel free to remove the post completely which I would have done after seeing how much aggro it has caused, hence the new header post.
Len.
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#16 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2012 8:47:11 PM(UTC)
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I think it is a great forum i heve not posted any photos yet, but all the help and advice i have received off other members is greatly appreciated so keep it up everyoneAngel
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