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Jimbob
#1 Posted : Monday, February 13, 2012 9:42:56 PM(UTC)
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Hi Modellers I want to model a Suttons of St Helen's eight legger Birderer but am struggling to get any chassis dimensions can anybody help e mail is jimrobertson2247@blueyonder.co.uk.

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:52:11 AM(UTC)
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Hi Jimbob, the 8 wheeler Atki's are, or were, called Defenders and the length would depend on what it was used for as a tanker would be shorter than a flat..... Sorry, but off the top of my head I don't know the length although I would be able to obtain a body length for a Holt Lane Transport Defender which would be similar?.............
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:00:17 AM(UTC)
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I used to work on Campbell of Oxton's Atki 8 leggers when I was an apprentice, both of them were 30 foot flats, but as Len mentioned there were numerous lengths for different applications. There was a guy at Kelso that had a 32 foot flat, with a stock deck on it, he also had a 28 foot 8 legged tipper.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:20:54 PM(UTC)
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The maximum vehicle length for an 8 wheeler of the period the Defender covers was 36' 1", so using that as a measure (you can drop the inch!) you can work out your body length, also to bare in mind was the Max Gross Weight which for an 8 Legger was 28Ton but this could only be achieved if the outer axle spread was 23ft, so basically to carry the heavier weight it had to be on a longer body. I would presume if Suttons ran some of their 8 wheelers solo they would go for the longer bodies but if they were pulling trailers this would restrict the body length as the Max length of a wagon and drag was 59ft and as the trailers were around 23ft Max(not including drawbar)this would mean a shorter prime mover.

All sounds a bit complicated which it actually was and typical of British transport laws. I don't know if you are copying from a photo or not but I would say as most body lengths were anything from 24 to 30ft with the odd exception you pretty much have a choice of wheelbase, as infact Atkinson had various lengths offered, if you use the 23ft outer axle spread as a guide (11.5" in 1/24 scale) this being the maximum and keep within those dimensions your chassis will turn out okay. I have always prefered the short wheelbase 8 wheelers myself for a nice compact look. Past copies of TMW have the Atkinson in 8 wheel guise. Nos.
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ianm on 2/25/2012(UTC)
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