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Help when using glue and plastikote together?
slj1983
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:13:41 AM(UTC)
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Hi, i've sprayed my italeri scania chassis with metallic red plastikote, and whilst trying to then glue other parts which have also been sprayed onto it, the glue i'm using seems to be reacting with the paint.
I've tried using Humbrol liquid poly, which is what i've used when assembling the chassis. Is there something else that I should use instead?
Any help gratefully received. Thsi is my first attempt at a kit!

Cheers

Steve
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:43:49 AM(UTC)
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Steve, parts that are painted will not glue together with liquid poly, this will damage the paint as you have discovered. Two things to do:

1. Scrape away the paint where the 2 parts are to join together, if you use liquid poly it may still run onto the paint so I would use Revell's Contacta glue which is on a needle type syringe.

2. You can use epoxy resin to glue the painted areas to each other. Epoxy resin is a 2 part glue/resin which you mix and then apply to the area.
slj1983
#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:55:12 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the help.
Would the Revell contact glue make the paint run at all? If not, I think this would be the easier option for me.

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Steve
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:02:07 AM(UTC)
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It will damage the paint, but just put a small spot on the parts to be joined and you should be ok.
What Scania are you building and what parts are you trying to glue together?
slj1983
#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:10:38 AM(UTC)
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Its the Italeri 1/24 Scania R620 ATELIER 3850 that I bought. I'm building it straight from the box, but using my own colour scheme for it.
I tried at first to glue the wheel arches, which i'd sprayed seperately from the chassis on, which is when I first noticed the problem.
I've also now got to assemble the cab and all other pieces which attatch to it.
I've been reading the magazine for a year or so now, and fianlly taken the plunge into attempting my own build. I've done some code 3 1:50 stuff in the past, but nothing with this amount of detail.
Any tips you can give me would be gratefully appreciated.

Cheers

Steve
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#6 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:18:29 AM(UTC)
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Hi Steve,

As John said, you'll either need to scrape the paint away to expose the plastic, or use epoxy adhesive.

Have you painted the cab already? It sounds like it, so this advice will be for the next build. What I do is assemble as much of the kit as I can ... I work in sub-assemblies. For example, I build the chassis as one sub-assembly, the engine as another (if the engine will be a different colour to the chassis), the interior, and then the cab.

I base my sub-assemblies on the areas that will have the same base colour. Once they're mostly built, I paint them each as a unit.

For detail work (such as door handles, mirrors etc) I glue them on before painting the base colour and then carefully mask them off and hand paint them an appropriate colour.

Small parts can be attached using clear varnish instead of glue (less risk of damaging the paint).

For the windows etc, I either use PVA (wood) glue or epoxy.

Hope this helps, if you have any more questions, feel free to ask, and I'm sure someone will have an answer for you.

Bren
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#7 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:43:14 AM(UTC)
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Like Bren says its better to work in sub assemblies. I actually don't glue on small details and mask (I hate masking) however I paint them separately and then glue on with superglue or a 2 part epoxy like that H sells which is good stuff. Be warned though excessive use of superglue can fog parts although isopropyl alcohol on a cotton bud removes the worst effects.

One other thing, remember you are effectively glueing together two layers of paint so the bond won't be as strong as it might be.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:52:38 AM(UTC)
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The comments about sticking painted parts together are very true. I've recently been asked to rebuild a model which fell off a shelf and shattered into pieces.

The Scania cab panels had been painted individually and then glued together, and the whole lot simply came apart as there was no bond between the joints, just paint.

Peter
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#9 Posted : Friday, February 24, 2012 6:53:54 PM(UTC)
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The other thing to remember is that plastic cements/glues are formulated using solvents which, whilst harmful to most if not all paint films, actually work by melting the plastic on both surfaces then allowing the plastic to weld itself together to form the joint. As Peter says above, if the items are painted, then the joint is only as strong as the paint's adherent qualities when using, for instance epoxy or superglue.
Similarly, many joined together parts can be separated by re-application of liquid cement which again softens the joint....
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